Regarding the HCQ Monograph from “The Economic Standard”. I can find no information regarding who or what the “Economic Standard” is. There are no authors listed for the monograph. The only name associated with it is the Editor-in-Chief, Erik Sass, who is a blogger and best known for his “Mental Floss…” history books. He has a BA in History and an MA in Journalism. There is no named Board of Directors, no named scientific or medical advisors or contributors, no reference to consultations with statisticians, epidemiologists, or Public Health experts. It is impossible to evaluate possible bias in selecting and evaluating the cited studies. We really don’t know where “The Economic Standard” originates from, the GOP, DNC, CIA, KGB, Koch Brothers, Soros, etc. Or it may simply be another mental floss by the historian/blogger/author Sass and unnamed friends.
It contains significant references, graphics, and “comparative data” from “HCQTrial.com”. This is a website, also without authors or institutions, using observational and population based methodology and statistical analysis that are very unorthodox to say the least, yielding very unusual results.
I wrote the above before trying to “Google” info regarding HCQTrial.com. I then came across this, the author and affiliation are readily available:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hcqtrial-com-astroturf-and-disinformation-about-hydroxychloroquine-and-covid-19-on-steroids/
The Economic Standard monograph complains of bias in the headlines of lay press articles discussing HCQ. It is not bias if the headlines accurately represent the conclusions of study authors and the experts interviewed. These articles, unlike the monograph, also have named authors and experts.
So we have a monograph by a non-physician without named sources, that is claiming systematic misrepresentation of HCQ efficacy for “political ends”. What those political ends may be are not stated.
Other than India, HCQ has not been approved as an effective medication for COVD. France has not approved it despite Dr. Raoult’s early work (because methodological issues surfaced soon after). Neither Sweden, nor other Scandinavian countries have approved it. Nor has Great Britain. China has not approved HCQ (interestingly they have approved chloroquine, a more toxic relative). In India, the only country where HCQ is indicated for COVID use off of trial or MD supervision, a recent study has shown it is NOT effective as a prophylaxis in reducing COVID in health care workers (https://www.japi.org/w2f4d444/prevalence-of-flu-like-symptoms-and-covid-19-in-healthcare-workers-from-india).
HCQ is a known medication, and the FDA process to expand indications for medication is well established. The FDA evaluates medication safety and efficacy. Masks are a physical barrier, not a medication, and so have different standards. The FDA has limited regulations about surgical masks for PPE, and started re-evaluating surgical masks as PPE when there was a general shortage of PPE as part of the COVID emergency this past winter. As you know, it is the CDC, not the FDA, that recommends masks, even homemade masks, as source control, not for PPE.
The use of HCQ, under a doctor’s care, is certainly well established, but not in association with a COVID infection. COVID, the “novel” coronavirus, is still not a well understood infection. Early in the pandemic it was not yet associated with cardiac events. Many patients infected with COVID have no or minimal symptoms. Predating COVID there was clear evidence that HCQ was been associated with cardiomyopathy and conduction defects in some patients (1). We now know COVID infection is well associated with cardiac problems, especially myocarditis (2).
So there is a sound scientific basis for a concern between cardiac events, COVID infection, and HCQ use (3 (good review and discussion)).
Since many/most COVID infections are asymptomatic, and we know there are significant cardiac complications from even asymptomatic COVID infection, exposing people to additional risk from a treatment or therapy without clear evidence is not a prudent public health recommendation.
Given the above, it is reasonable to restrict HCQ to patients in a RCT, or under a physician’s care. As a medication it should be held to a higher standard than a mask.
There are currently several solid, randomized trials regarding HCQ prophylaxis underway. Limiting its use to RCT and under a doctor’s supervision is not some kind of US media or deep state conspiracy theory; it is a world-wide medical/scientific consensus. If there is evidence, not insinuation, of a world-wide conspiracy, where the leaders, doctors, and public health officials in nearly every nation are risking their citizens lives, let’s see it.
1) N. Costedoat-Chalumeau, J.-S. Hulot, Z. Amoura, G. Leroux, P. Lechat, C. Funck-Brentano, J.-C. Piette, Heart conduction disorders related to antimalarials toxicity: an analysis of electrocardiograms in 85 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine for connective tissue diseases, Rheumatology, Volume 46, Issue 5, May 2007, Pages 808–810, https://doi.org/10.1093/rheumatology/kel402
2) Puntmann VO, Carerj ML, Wieters I, et al. Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). JAMA Cardiol. Published online July 27, 2020. doi:10.1001/jamacardio.2020.3557
3) https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine/
I didn't read this whole thing, although I appreciate the effort.
I don't , however, appreciate the disparaging comments and ad hominem attacks.
In debate, derision is unhelpful and reveals bias and fear of losing.
People who use mockery in debate frequently do so to distract from the fact they are losing the debate.
If you want to debate, let's debate.
If you want to mock me or one of my friends works, be prepared. I defend my friends fiercely. In the of debate and as one of Erik's unnamed friends, I can put you in touch with the author or, at least, share with him your thoughts.
I am showing great restraint right now.
BTW, again, a reference you cited below states the opposite of what you think it does.
I can you one thing - HCQ is very, very safe.
I am not sure you read your first reference.
I am very familiar with your first reference by Costedoat-Chalumeau et al.
It doesn't support your statement "Predating COVID there was clear evidence that HCQ was been associated with cardiomyopathy and conduction defects in some patients (1)"
Quite the contrary, Costedoat-Chalumeau et al. added significant data to HCQ's established safety profile. The article states -
"PR interval, QTc interval and heart rate were not different from normal values. The rate of heart conduction disorders was similar to what is expected in the general population, and contrasted with prior results in CQ-treated patients. Our results add further evidence on the safety of HCQ compared with CQ."
" Only one case of QT interval prolongation has been reported after chronic exposition to HCQ [ 8 ]. In our study, PR interval, QTc interval and heart rate were not different from those in a population of healthy young adults with a high proportion of women [ 9 , 10 ]. Regarding heart conduction disorders, we did not find any AVB. We only observed two incomplete right bundle-branch blocks and one left complete bundle-branch block. These results were not statistically significantly different from what is expected in the general population"
In other words, your article is one that established that HCQ is not cardiotoxic. There are several others. I am currently (as we type) working on two now with Dr. David Dobesh. You shouldn't have any problem finding Dave's bona fides. If you want to debate Dave Dobesh on HCQ's effects on heart electrophysiology, I wish you luck. Dave is a smart as they get and has read well over 1,000 Covid pt ECG's, the majority of which were from pts on HCQ/AZM. Politically, Dave is no conservative (nor am I). Dave again like I, believes that data rule or, at least, should rule the day. The literature has oodles of data on HCQ's safety. The FDA knows it is safe and has approved several hundred HCQ trials over the years on everything from hidradenitis suppurativa to breast cancer to myeloma to prediabetes to retinitis pigmentosa.
Here are the current ones.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=&term=hcq&cntry=US&state=&city=&dist=&Search=Search
I have gone through the protocols of most of these trials. I did not find a single FDA-approved HCQ study which required monitoring for ECG changes. None and that includes the many FDA approved HCQ-Covid trials I reviewed.
Further, the cumulative dose of HCQ in the first month of each of these trials far exceeds that of any Covid treatment. In fact, the HCQ-Covid trial at Saint Barnabas/RWJBarnabasHealth required just a single ECG on the day of enrollment, even though this trial used HCQ with AZM.. The trial was based off of the French regimen and was primarily meant for outpts. Of course, outpts cannot be put on telemetry or get daily ECGs (without great difficulty). And pt's with a QTc > 470 ms were excluded, which is weird, because 450 ms is the upper limit of normal in men and 460 ms in women. So, people with prolonged QTc's are allowed in that study. Again, FDA approved.
If you want to learn the truth about HCQ data, then I have some reading for you.
I suggest you start with Dr. Daniel Furst's work in the 1990's on “lead-in” dosing of HCQ for rheumatoid arthritis and then go on to Dr. Costedoat-Chalumeau's other studies as well. Dr. Furst, in an NIH sponsored study conducted , used increased, "lead-in" doses of HCQ in RA pts. The highest dose was 1.2 gm per day for 6 weeks.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/1529-0131(199902)42:2%3C357::AID-ANR19%3E3.0.CO;2-J
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/art.10307
If you want to believe Sanjay Gupta's misrepresentation of HCQ's safety profile, then I recommend you don't read any of the above articles.
SMS
PS - Please refrain from posting disparaging comments or I may be forced to unleash my Irish grandmother's sarcasm.